He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? OT. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. 0. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. <<<<<<<<<<. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. Orgy? It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. How doesshe know this? MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Statanic mass? The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble? But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. It's just idiotic. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Desire is always Other. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. 2. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The Daily Planet may go under too. >>What else could he call it? That is a possible explanation. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. Is that how youwould describe it? > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. What a joke to call them "philosophers." > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. Ritual, etc non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of and. Need some rehab, '' which began after he left his wife Bill... 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