A couple things he failed to mention. Ive found it to be exactly what I thought it to be and much more. Tom, you forgot to capitalize being part-time I bet your present broker will through a fit, and send his lawyers after you if you tried to take them. Well it looks like it may be a business consideration to bypass the organization (Primerica). Does he say anything different than what other advisers say, not really. Since Cash value is a bad product except for the top 2%, and it is marketed heavily to the lower 98%, it is not the good product. Outside PFS to earn the big incomes you can have a choice of personal production or by building a team depending on the company you align yourself with. Word of mouth advertising is the least expensive way to advertise., ****So why do the PFS products cost more if they dont place ads and market from referrals? I actually think, then respond. We have already had a client seminar in her office with 24 attendees. Indexed will build wealth but not as quickly as variable annuties. I found out many people dont invest the difference. But then again the only people who say to use Insurance to save money is Insurance Sales People. Now, If you do not recruit, do you make money, Yes. Now, since we all know how honest insurance sales people are, with their track record of selling the wrong product to the wrong people. Some that you mentioned is VA that pay more, which means less is in the account. But here is some great FACTS: I am a buy term and invest the difference agent first but dont tell me youd sell your 10 year term to a 70 year old for estate preservation purposes ok. And why not if the price is great. So even at worst case scenario it is still a pretty good deal for $99 yes ? Im just not fooling myself or anyone else. That is why crap financial products are sold. Go term4sale.com and you will see who was quoted and how many companies spanked Primerica. 2) The amount of information you learn about finances (as n non financial person such as myself) is simply unbelievable. You can call it what you like but taking someone from a 0% interest to 8% plus is more like educating the person where to go. You also get different levels of charging: Level 1, Level 2 and Level 3. Are you securities licensed? As I stated before your exactly where you need to be. Just understand in most instances (nothings 100%) I can replace your program, but you cant replace mine. Attn: Cancellations. It is difficult, because of the do not call list, but then again, Primerica is not for those that quit easily. -, 6) Tom said, Please give me some facts. How much damage can you do Michael? Most sales are done because of a connections. Ive heard it many times. That was the right decision for me. and these two guys are definitely being missed by their respected villages, I need to go. Wanna know why some people dont make it? So please get off this kick that we need to cover all the bases. You say term is temporary but any competent adviser say to buy it and invest the difference. And you do not get any legs. Bugt if you have a tool why would you not use it? It is right twice a day. Just the facts, please. Lincoln Financial Group -. Its FOR the individual who is MOTIVATED to get off his butt and change his life for the better by using a vehicle that provides Federal/State Professional Licenses to his disposal. See, I said OFFER! So we educate them on how money works and allow them to make the decision. Cant help but respond either! And they do not discriminate. They understand the difference between cheap and quality. Its going to happen and then the next morning when you looking in the mirror and thinking about the commission you just made and then remembering why you came into the busines to help people the leaving process will start again..Why, because in this instance the client may be a family member. He was very open and did not stray from the fact that part of your earnings would come from recruiting. They could not win stealing their clients, because of the non-compete clause. Again Where are you getting your information? For the right person, it works really well. remember Price only matters in the Absence of Value. So please, enlighten me as a non-Primerica yet open-minded person what is stopping you from joining? , No I have the facts and you cant handle them. I am not here to train you only explain to you why. and did i mention they make no money. But in Financial services it is even more important. You say Primerica is great, but you wouldnt want to do business with a part-time person without an office. Also if you try to have conversations with peopel of limited means, they will drag you down to there level and beat you with experience being there. But then again why not buy term and invest the difference? Aside from that, ARE YOU SERIOUS?? And to finish James boy. Mortgages 1. And Before you say I am wrong, My Dad died 3 years ago, estate was just settled. So you admit you have taken people from Primerica. * Would you have been capable of setting up independently without first working with PFS at least for some time period? If you leave Primerica you do not get to keep your own downline, you can not contact the clients that you sold policies to and to be sucessful you must recriut. Who trains you? You need to go read and understand your craft more. Williams was a different company then Primerica) or anyone else that would like to keep their job. The $99 fee covers your Life insurance class, books, etc. lack of loyalty is the biggest deal killer. I also feel that the company itself is set up on good standards. (Which is only a 65 license. However, what I DID say, was that there are ROP policies that are LESS EXPENSIVE than PFS, AND have LONGER GUARANTEES and the client gets their money back. Yes being independent is a good thing. LOL,,Give a person enough rope and they will hang themself. Also if the crusade is to save peope from hig priced products why isnt it carried over to the products they offer? WebThe NCAA has three division levels: Division I, Division II, and Division III. First May Kay is Cosmetics. The only draw back is that you get paid less. When no one else would work with me. They can do all the work (and you know as well as I do getting a warm referral is most the work so dont tell me because you did a flip chart presentation you did most the work) and they only get 25% .. the RVP get 95% . Oh by the way, this is the James that posted on July 26, 2008 James @ 9:25 pm for the first time. Tom, here is where you and I differ. (James said this is important. Which is not how America was built. If you cant get your facts straight on simple things like what is covered when you join Priemrica, how do you expect anyone to trust what else you post. Soon you are looking at a cash value policy price for the term. But remember the 1990s, when all those clients got those letters about imploding policies. Since my tax dollars are going to have to fix it, I can keep complaining, and comparing it to what you do. The client can always say NO Thank YOU. If your so against the TI, why is 40% ok? A lot of things are Mary Kay, Amway, and a lot of insurance sales are the same. You are an individual, where a government entity says something who are you going to trust. I only stated my experience with the recruitment process and what I actually learned before I joined PFS. (This is conservative since they have started paying for the Securities Licensed.). If you know of a sneaky agent that lies, cheats, and steals from their clients if you give the state that you live in I will give you the phone number to the DOI and you can do the honorable thing and turn them in. If PFS agent takes any information and do their due dillegence and deside to go another route, blame that on being a U.S. citizen. He seems to have forgotten his mistakes. I see no one respondedwhich is great actually. have you ever noticed that you employees do all the work and dont get paid your worth while your BOSS calls theshots, determines your income and lives the dream life? It does not build you up, just makes you look suspicious. The difference is what is included. The market that Primerica serves. Do you need to sell ice to an Eskimo? How Much Is A $250,000 Life Insurance Policy? I believe in Mutual Funds. I should not be double or triple charged for using part of something I paid for. What other company that can do that? If you disagree with this law, try to get it changed. You become a captive agent .. not allowed to sell anything Primerica does not offer . Your email address will not be published. If you decide to do it at PFS just keep Michaels contact information on file. Billionaire. If you do not sell but you recruit, do you make money, NO. It seems you do not know how to read and comprehend. How many people that join the Gym in January are not there in March? No problem Adam. 6.) Bottom line: PFS pays reps too little, and they charge clients too much. -. Thats the business side. . I did not sign a non-compete agreement. -. I do not want to sell only one a/c brand. 5. At this level, it is quite clear; the focus is the organization and the associated priority, life, and value. Lump sum, tax-free. He has a knack of twisting the facts. Did you know that most companies spend billions on marketing? And then you can ask your down-line to do the same. I knew nothing about the insurance or banking industry. , _________________________________________________. I was also contacted by an old boss of mine from years ago with the same approach I wanted to talk to you about something and never specified. This gets around the Do NOT Call list, and the fact that you will be bugged until you leave them or cave. Their office in Bountiful, Utah was raided for numerous violations of insurance code. Until you got more an more unprofessional, I figured you deserve the benefit of the doubt. Primerica agents can write to any fund they want to. But wait you get paid on the total premium, so you make more money. Just know the business. Tom, you said, by the way in past posts you have said you were an agent. I will now call myself James S. I was just expressing my experience with someone who gained my interest in the financial planning field. To your family, yourself, your friends, or to your upline and company? I bet his clients do not know this is his philosophy. They are great but I wanted to retire before I was grey, so I found a company that was not doing well. 2. In any proceeding to collect these amounts, Does the agent wish to offer med sups? Do they just offer their clients Term? If PFS agents had the option of just taking their organizations and leaving you would see a mass exit of RVPs NSDs, etc.. IO looked into Primeamerica a few years ago, and what Becky reported about them having mutual funds with comparitively low returns was true then too. Again with selling Products. Again this is coming from a guy who had to leave Arizona and open a business. You know now you have to join Primerica. Yes it may cost a little more, but then value does. The only people who thinks that Cash value is good, are those that sell it. Since you are not an agent I do not think you can have your PFS buddy run a quote for 40 year old male standard rating no childer. I know you are not an adviser for several reasons. I ahve give you a place to check out Rip off Reports. The only people who thinks that permanenet life insurance is a good investment, are those who sell it. And usually those are taken care of by trusts and such, not an insurance agent trying to play financial adviser. Let them make the decision if it right for them. I think I have even seen a policy that stated 6 monthsYet dont quote me on that. Please list facts. Now you are using Insurance talk. Well I did a search on your Name for a license in state of California, It did not come up. They say its a forced savings plan. But let us see. Someone who does not make a dime where you goes, just cares that the truth is posted here. Do you remember what the purpose of Insurance is? Since you said you offer these worthless products, does that mean you will sell what ever you can make a buck on? Bill, am I woman or a man? In many states to offer the PPL plans there is no licensing requirement. United of Omaha He is wrong. Remember the Grasshopper and the Ants. Again you are right. if your field trainer took your referrals- you have a crappy baseshopswitch to a new one your complaint better be legitgood baseshops dont accept crybabies) Then, whithin my baseshop, that $99 that you sepnd to join our business-you can get backby witnessing 6 training sales and hiring 3 people. Atleast we agree PFS isnt for everyone. It was only after my upline did training presentation with me that I learned that there is Term insurance which is actually good value for money so I got Primerica insurance. You recruit to build your organization. Its about fitting the best product available for the individual client. But then again this is the Parent company and has nothing to do with Primerica. I would think that side account would be drained or at least have a sizable amount used for health care cost. They are not looking for someone who is looking to draw a paycheck. I try to stay away, but they just keep calling me back.. But would you rather have an informed one. compare your compensation below RVP to what you In a job, who gets the most the one who is the owner/trainer or the one who is just learning? You gotta be willing to be different. ya you have a few people with reputable backgrounds but there is a reason they didnt make it in thier industry either.. and to say all those people that make it are evil well is just irresponsible and makes you look so amature. I just compare contract per contract and products against products. Did you know that these are not good loans? You tell me which is better? They gave me my first mutual fund. If you might have missed that, the RVP is responsible for the agents work. It is like the person who buys a car and only gets liability insurance to save money. PFS: A+, Aa2, AA (Fitch also downgraded PFS to AA- in March 2008) By the way if your agent told you to jump off the San Francisco Bridge would you? Tom: One thing you seem to fail to see or understand is people can go to a source to verify what is said. I am not naive to think that they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts (public companies that large typically have one thing on their minds: putting money in the shareholders pockets). James boy, maybe one of these days you will make your own comments, not repeat what you only hear. ROP is great for a young couple that is not established in life. Something that is detailed and shows you how much you need and how to get it. If people want to start with PFS great, just know you can earn more money and have the ability to offer more products outside of Primerica. If you find a office you like and the energy feels good and the poeple are sharp then join them. At the end of the day you must remember Annette, your old boss is more than likely very excited about the opportunity that Primerica offers and she probably felt like you possessed characteristics that would make you a strong candidate for the opportunity. Well keep doing a great job pulling in that first paycheck thats your life and health reembersement and make sure you keep outfitting yourselves as unprofessional as possible when you show up in t-shirt and jeans to your little pep talks. Or do you think the Companies give money free to agents? For more info on how you can help people get more FACTS e-mail me at [emailprotected]. Now I know I said what Andre Carnegie said, but here is a similar one. You,Michael, Jenni any one selling cash value life insurance or ROP (This is a form of cash value, This comes from an outside source. Im finally biting the bullet taking my 20% loss over 6 years and paying my outrageous redemption fees and going to find a reputable broker who is going to sell me overpriced insurance $80.00 a month for a $400,000.00 life insurance policy that I got 6 years ago (when I was 24) and in great health. The corporate world does not pay anyone to train their replacement but Primerica does. . And then you had to fight for it. More power to Citi putting PFS on the marketthe leadership is different and goals have been restructurednoone knows yet whats gonna happen but by no means would that EVER mean PFS is out of the picture. Up to this point you are under someone and they are responsible. It is one of the only parts that is worth anything, that is why they are trying to sell it to raise capital. They are looking for people wanting to win. Also I still dont know what truth your talking about? Policy. Advanced practice registered nurse degrees prepare a registered nurse for an advanced clinical role. I want a company that has a main headquarters and I am able to call and get answers. How mnay people looking for some part-time income can afford to pay that out? Lets use Edward Jones for example (not picking on themjust using them). -, Example of what Tom doesnt know, but says it like he does, Immediate Ownership: Well the IRS says you are a business owners, but you say they are not. It is a product for the insurance companies to make more money. .. wait.. dont u criticise them too.. umm ya u do.. wow.. so many flaws in this model.. so there lies the reason to recruit.. it continually opens up that persons warm market and u move on.. u sleep at night because you say, who am i do judge someones potential well wake up people.. you are judged every single day by your potential and rightly so.. are you going to tell me your fund managers dont judge funds potential based off history and past performance or do you want there money invested in a company where they say.. hmmm hey lets give them a chance no.. just doesnt work that way. Instead of listing Primericas features in comparison, he posted 2 or three messages after reading the first sentence or two, I realized he wasnt going to address facts, again. I just wanted to state my truthful experiences with PFS recruitment process. Term works for it greatly. Now here is a point to ponder. For example, a client could get a base 35-year for income protection, a 29-year to pay the mortgage, a 19-year for kids college, and a 15-year for other debts. But keep selling the cheap no value term. All the money books and magazines say this. , Now, I am curious, have you noticed what the premiums have been doing over the last 10 years? Considering your an expert, answer me this. Who are you serving, your pocket book or your client? Remember before you answer your an independent contractor with PFS, not an employee. At the end of ROP if a person does need coverage would it be a good consideration to have coverage available as a single premium policy? Prove to me which companies who sell term is a Loss Leader. If you are not a salesman dont join. You must be afraid of my words or you would attack them and not the person. I have the ability to offer any product or use any company that I choose as long as I am licensed to sell that product. 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